Empowered Ease

Nicole King and her Body Trust Revolution

Jenn Ohlinger Season 1 Episode 19

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Are you tired of rigid diet plans that never stick? Do you feel disconnected from your body despite "doing everything right"? Join us for a refreshing conversation with Nicole King, author of "Listening to Your Body" and founder of Balance Being Nutrition, who offers a revolutionary approach to health that prioritizes self-acceptance over restriction.

Nicole's journey began with a simple revelation: providing meal plans alone doesn't create lasting change. Through her own experience as "the skinny girl who struggled to gain weight," Nicole discovered that true health transcends appearance and involves reconnecting with your body's innate wisdom. Her eight-step program helps women break free from shame-based patterns and rebuild body trust without the burden of restrictive dieting.

What sets Nicole's approach apart is her emphasis on individualization and sustainability. She promotes an 80/20 nutrition philosophy that allows flexibility while nourishing your body properly. "Anything rigid and restricted is not sustainable," Nicole explains, offering practical insights into why most diets eventually fail. You'll learn about her innovative "pause method" for setting boundaries, the importance of questioning whether you're pursuing health for yourself or others, and why rest deserves to be recognized as a crucial component of wellbeing.

This conversation challenges conventional wisdom about nutrition, exercise, and body image, offering a gentle pathway toward healing for anyone who has struggled with food stress. Whether you're battling food confusion, exhaustion, or disconnection from your body, Nicole's compassionate approach provides real solutions without shame or judgment. Ready to transform your relationship with food and reclaim your sense of self? Download Nicole's free "Trust Your Body Guide" at bbnutrition.ca and take your first step toward genuine, sustainable wellness today.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome back to Empowered Ease, the podcast dedicated to challenging the patriarchy and inspiring women to take ownership of their health, mind, body and soul. Today, I have a truly inspiring guest joining us Nicole King. Nicole's an accomplished author of Listening to your Body. She's a certified nutritionist. She is founder of Balance being Nutrition and a dedicated speaker and coach to women, aiming to heal food stress and rebuild body trust.

Speaker 1:

Now, before I get a little more into Nicole's history, I want to emphasize something about Nicole that I loved. I know a lot of women are turned off by anything that has to do with weight or diet issues, because we've been berated with it our whole lives, but Nicole's approach really spoke to me because it is individualized to each person and also focuses on reducing shame and the self-talk related to body image and food issues. So this is a really gentle episode If those are your triggers. I just wanted to start off by saying I think she's a really has a really different perspective on this type of weight loss, body image journey and, that being said, I want to tell you a little bit about Nicole. She is a dedicated speaker and coach that's aiming to heal food stress and rebuild body trust.

Speaker 1:

Her passion lies in supporting women who, despite appearing fine by society standards, face quiet struggles with food confusion, exhaustion and a disconnection from their bodies in general. She intimately understands the challenges of feeling dismissed and stuck in survival mode, and she has navigated her own healing journey. So through this journey, nicole discovered a path centered on self-acceptance, nourishment and nervous system safety. Her work empowers women to break free from deep-rooted patterns, heal their relationship with food and reconnect with their bodies, all without the burden or pressure of shame or restriction. It's an honor to have her here today to share some of her insights and to light the way for women seeking peace in their own skin. Let's welcome Nicole King to the show. All right, welcome Nicole. How are you doing today? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. So tell me a little bit about yourself and how you started this journey and, kind of why. Why you're passionate about about this population specifically.

Speaker 2:

Um, so it's actually crazy because I got my certification in nutrition uh last August. Uh, been passionate about nutrition for a couple of years and kind of getting, you know, healthier kids and all that stuff. You want to make sure everybody is taken care of and I. So I got my certification and I originally was just going to be another nutritionist and you know meal planning and you know all this stuff. And my husband works out of town and you know he struggles with weight gain. So he asked me to make him a couple meal plans and I did and you know he has a stack this big, you know, like 15 different meal plans and three different days worth of them, and he just wasn't using them.

Speaker 2:

And I was starting to get really frustrated and it took me a minute and I took a step back and I thought this stuff is deeper than just having a meal plan. It's, you know, there's all the things I got to exercise and I got to do this and I got to do that, and it's like if I don't do those things, this isn't going to matter. So what's the purpose? And I kind of, you know, took a step back and realized like I, no one's getting my help if I'm just offering them a meal plan and sending them out the door.

Speaker 2:

And it kind of evolved into you know, a little six week program and I had my very first client with that and you know it was really good. But by the time she felt like we were kind of getting somewhere, we were done, and you know it was. So I was like this this has to be bigger. And I actually wrote a book based off my little six week program and I turned it into an eight step program and here we are, you know the skinny girl who struggled to gain weight and got healthy and just wants, you know, starting to trust, trust my body and what it needed again. So yeah, it was kind of just, you know, just little start at meal, meal plans for people to a lot bigger, which I, you know, still think about it. And how much my mind is blown on how much it's evolved since the end of January oh, it's a beautiful, beautiful story.

Speaker 1:

I want to dig into a bunch of it, but first I want to tell you, I want to ask you um, so when you were kind of digging a little deeper into then it's more than just a meal plan Like what were you finding that the holdups were, or what needs to be addressed, or when you were finding you need more time with people, what are the things that you're finding people are working on, rather than just sticking to a meal plan?

Speaker 2:

Well, my experience is, if I'm not exercising, then I don't need a meal plan, because all of the you know all of the things like you have to, you have to be lifting weights or doing the cardio and if you're not, then you know and it's just like eating things and a lot of people don't know when they're full, they don't know when they're eating, they don't know when they're eating out of like an emotional distress. You know, we're always told growing up that if you're a good girl you can have a treat or you know all these things. So the food has a deeper emotional. We're finish all the food on your plate, overeating, and it just, it just was a whole bigger picture.

Speaker 2:

And you know, I started learning myself by tracking macros. I thought I had to be strict with it, to learn how to be full and what to eat, cause I was always starving. So I just ate, I just ate food and being skinny, you can eat whatever you want, but it doesn't mean that you're healthy. So once I started tracking for myself and recognizing what fullness felt like and how to stay full longer and all that, I know what it feels like to be full. I know what my body needs when I sit down and listen instead of just like, oh, I need to eat something and I stuff it in my body, you know.

Speaker 1:

So it sounds like you're addressing some of like, the more I would say like what do you call that subconscious, like programming about our belief and also a touch of like the connection we have with our body. I know that certain traumas and um medical conditions of people out of survival disconnect from their body also. Yeah, traumas, we just some people disconnect from their bodies and re-forging that connection can be a really intense emotional process, but it's necessary to address some of these, like nutrition and health issues yes, absolutely well.

Speaker 2:

The other thing too, I know, is like, um, no one taught me how to eat. You know we, when we were growing up, we had a vegetable, a protein and a starch at every meal. That there was. No, you know, like eating whole foods. You know we had sidekicks and cheese whiz and all the things, and you know they taste good but they don't nourish your body and you're consistently eating because of all those things.

Speaker 2:

And it just for me, it's like because we had all those things as kids, the nostalgia and the feel good. And you know, like my side of the family, on my dad's side, is very, they're very thin and everyone's okay with it, because we're what everyone strives to be skinny. You know, everyone has this like you don't need to go to the gym because you're skinny and you can eat whatever you want. You're so lucky and it took a really long time for me to realize that just because I was skinny didn't mean I was actually healthy or felt good Like there's a lot of people I know I could couldn't run to the end of my driveway and back without feeling like I was going to have a heart attack.

Speaker 1:

That's what I was going to ask you. How do you define health? Then, right, how are we? Yeah?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so you know, know, and that's the thing with my, my side of my dad's side of the family is, you know, my dad is napping multiple times a day on his days off because he's eating food, but it's not fueling him, it is depleting him. It's probably stuff his body can't handle to process, it's bogging him down. And that's when I realized, just because we're skinny, it doesn't mean anything. It it it's still. We still need to look after ourselves and take care of what we eat down. And that's when I realized, just because we're skinny, it doesn't mean anything. It it it's still. We still need to look after ourselves and take care of what we eat, regardless of what we can and can't eat. You know.

Speaker 1:

So educating yourself about like nutrition and what's actually fueling your body, yeah, so what are some of the steps that your book or your program takes people through?

Speaker 2:

So my first step starts with just the foundations of being and it's just starting to learn how to get back to getting in touch, doing breath work and sitting in. My work in involves reflection questions and journal prompts throughout the whole program. So each step has its unique questions based on, so, you know, foundations of being is just kind of just slowly, gently checking in with things and like asking deeper questions about like yourself and and why you're doing some of the things. And then, step two, we get into emotions a little bit more and starting to kind of track your emotions with some of your, your food choices. But it's not about being judgmental or, you know, being hard on yourself. It's just like, okay, what, why am I doing this? And like, when I do this, why, you know what are? You know maybe the things in the background happening? You know, is there background noise where you're like intuitively checking out because you know that you shouldn't be making the choices? And you know most of us growing up we have like three emotions. It's like happy, sad and, you know, angry and there's a whole bunch more going on. So learning how to get back in tune with emotions.

Speaker 2:

And then my third step is movement as expression, because going to the gym is wonderful if that's your jam, but we're programmed and taught that like if you're not doing excessive amounts of cardio and burning all the calories and doing all this stuff, that it's, it just doesn't count as.

Speaker 2:

But we're programmed and taught that like, if you're not doing excessive amounts of cardio and burning all the calories and doing all this stuff, that it's, it just doesn't count as as moving and you can clean your house and you can get a good workout in cleaning your house, like you can go for a really good walk. There's a whole bunch of things you can do that counts as movement. It doesn't have to be a hard workout at the gym, yeah, and then pulling it in is, you know, creating sustainable patterns. So building off of your already things you do. So you know, in the morning you make coffee doing you know a couple minutes of breath work while your coffee is brewing, or you know, doing some stretching or doing things like that and just building little things that help you connect back with yourself while you're already doing things. And then boundaries and and learning how to take care of all this stuff on your own once you take off on your own. So I just build on the steps throughout my program, and there's eight of them.

Speaker 1:

So I love that. I love your description of your program, because I think like when we start to talk about nutrition, a lot of people think dieting and it's like an X word, like.

Speaker 1:

I have, like my good, good, good friend, like anything involved in where she thinks they're going to talk about diet.

Speaker 1:

She's like nope out, not at all and she is due to her own personal battles where she's been very, very focused on it. It's due to her own personal battles where she's been very, very focused on it and I can speak now, at the age I am now, like I have a very good, healthy relationship with my body and I don't have like it's rarely an issue. But I will say that I spent like my entire 20s, and I would say maybe my entire 30s, very focused on my body all the time. And I know it wasn't like a skinny I wasn't very skinny, I wasn't super overweight either, but I know, for a lot of women and men too, that our bodies and food is something we're constantly aware of and shaming ourselves about, like we're almost in our own way. And what I love about your program is that it's a personal approach, because I think that that is the key to a lot of things nowadays people are finding out for themselves what's working. You're encouraging people to take a look inward and really find those answers for themselves.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, we're all unique. We all have different needs and wants and desires and dreams and our bodies are the same. Like what works for one person doesn't work for someone else. And I cringe nowadays at hearing like, oh, I'm doing, you know, the carnivore diet or I'm doing keto, and it's always a quick fix and it's not sustainable and nine times out of 10, you don't come off of it properly. So everything you did, everything you worked for, all the weight you lost or whatever your reasoning behind, comes back times 10. And you're more frustrated.

Speaker 2:

And I have a friend who did keto and she was really successful. But she's in her 50s and she has hormonal things going on with menopause and she lost all the weight and stopped doing keto and loosely stuck with it and put all of the weight back on and tried to do keto again and her body won't go into ketosis like it did before because it's not meant to be a lifestyle. It's what is a sustainable lifestyle. I have like an 80-20 rule with with my clients, to where 80% of your food needs to be wholesome, good, healthy stuff, and then there's room for 20% If you want to go out for dinner or you want to order pizza or you want to have a glass of wine or whatever you want to do, like there has to be flexibility, Because anything that's rigid and restricted is not sustainable.

Speaker 2:

We get to a rebellious part of our life where we're like, okay, I don't want to do this anymore, Like this is stupid. And then everything goes out the window and and then you're starting at ground zero. You've thrown everything you've done away because it's too rigid and restricted and it's not manageable, and I don't want that for people. I want them to find their rhythm and know that if they have a whole week where they eat like crap because they're on vacation, that it's okay. Like you're going to be okay. I can't hear you.

Speaker 1:

Can you hear me now? Yes, I can. I think it died. It's okay, we'll edit that part out um.

Speaker 1:

So I love that you say that, though, because shame is such a powerful um factor in holding people back, and it's really something we inflict on ourselves it's a hundred percent something we've like, that ourselves we like and I love that you're talking about these strict diets too, because that's something, luckily, I've always known about myself is that I can't stick to strict things or I definitely will sabotage. But I think a lot of people fall into that trap and it's really the key to happiness, to developing a relationship with yourself, to all of those things, to finding balance, is finding sustainable ways and also educating yourself, because there's you don't have to eat what like. What your healthy things are, that you love can look very different from like what your husband probably healthy eats, and loves, you know what I mean so yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 2:

Well, one of the other things I found is that are you doing it for yourself?

Speaker 1:

Are you?

Speaker 2:

doing it because everybody else wants you to look a certain way and, at the end of the day, if that's the case, somebody is always going to have something to say about what you look like or what you eat, or you know all of the things. Somebody's always going to have something to say. So, are you doing it because somebody made you, you know it made you feel like you had to because, like, at one point, I was going to the gym and I, you know, I'm super proud of myself for everything. I didn't, wasn't aware I was capable of putting muscle on like I did and being as strong as I was. I didn't do it for myself, though. I was trying to prove to the world that I was not this skinny little girl and could, you know, build muscle and be strong, and I wasn't weak. And, you know, I did really good.

Speaker 2:

For six or eight months I did really good and I put on some good muscle, but I was following macros to the T and restricting, you know things, and you know, at that point that's when I kind of took a step back and I was like this isn't about me, this is about everybody else. Like, I will go back to the gym. I'm still working through that right now myself, where you know like I'm not in a place mentally where I can go to the gym and do it for myself. I'm still trying to prove to the world that I'm not this skinny little girl, and until I fully work through my own things, I have decided the gym is not a place for me to be. So, yeah, so like that's part of part of it as well too. You know, are you doing it for you? Are you doing it because of everybody else?

Speaker 1:

I love that. I can relate, like I think that the gym also is like a real source of trauma for a lot of people. Personally, like dad used to drag us in there when we were little and I am so uncomfortable in a gym setting. I also spent like a ridiculous amount of time in college being forced to be in one like twice a day when I did college sports, so it was like now walking in a gym. I like have had a panic attack working with out with my husband before and he's like what is wrong with you?

Speaker 1:

I'm I'm like I don't know, it's this place. Like it's this place, I can't. It just stresses me out. So there's a lot that may sound silly, but it's true. Like a lot of us have some very big sensitivities around gyms, nutrition, our bodies, so this is a huge topic for a lot of people.

Speaker 2:

A lot of us don't like it, though Like we want to yeah, well, and that's true, right, but it's just like get in there and do the work for yourself. What, what do you want to do? What makes you happy? Like it's. It's like finding your dream career. It's the same deal, it's it's in a different area what are you happy? Yeah, no matter what it is. What's your wife?

Speaker 1:

healthy, to engage, it like to be happy. A lot of times health is a big part of that. It holds you back if you're not healthy and you hit a certain age. I see you nurse telling you this year like it starts catching up with you and the end of your people's lives look very different, determined on how they address their nutrition and their physical health. And it's not saying like go to the, the gym every day, that's saying like out in the sun and walk and eat some vegetables.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely Like there are things you know, like just learning to look at the in the ingredients and things and deciding you know. Like tracking, like after you eat, something like not tracking what you ate and how much you ate, but like writing down if you're starting to feel foggy brained and things like write down what you're eating and start tracking the things and start trying to pinpoint. Like okay, is it this food or is it something in this food? We switched flowers. We have a local source here. There's a farm and they do stone milled flour and it's not processed with all the chemicals that they put.

Speaker 2:

Flour from the grocery store is treated with Roundup. They dry the flour out with that. So when you're baking, you might be baking at home but still feeling like you have to cut out gluten. It might not be the. It might be the chemicals they've treated the flour with. So, like just starting to check in with some of the things you're eating and doing. You don't have to cut out bread and you don't have to cut the gluten out and you don't have to cut the things out Where's it coming from and what's in it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, focusing on what's making you feel good and what you don't feel good. Honestly, I don't even think you have to try that hard. If you draw those connections, it's not effort anymore, like you know in your brain, like I'm either willing to feel bad for this today or I'm not, and then it puts power in your hands and I like that.

Speaker 2:

Right, well, and and energetically. Sometimes you're in a place where that thing normally would make you feel bad and you can have it and you're okay yeah.

Speaker 1:

I'm doing this empowered. I'm choosing this yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, and if you're, you know, it's like there's days where you need extra whole foods and extra nutrition and extra love and there's days where you can just kind of be wishy-washy and it's okay, like it's, I just it, it just all this structure and rigid rule stuff just makes me I'm like it doesn't have to be this hard, it doesn't have to be this hard.

Speaker 2:

It doesn't have to be this hard, it's not sustainable life happens and we have to be able to move and like and we have to know how to pick ourselves back up and know our know ourselves, like we have to really know ourselves to be successful at a lot of things and and knowing when to not have to pick yourself back up and give yourself that time to be down and be okay with it, because the the world doesn't allow rest or slowing down either.

Speaker 1:

I'm so glad you said that, because it's an essential part of health, and it is like if you're shaming yourself while you can't get off the couch, you're not resting either like you have to. We have to allow ourselves to rest, like your body's telling you, like I don don't want to move today, don't. If you can, don't move and be like happy that you're able to give that to yourself.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I have a client that we we worked through. That movement as expression is step three in my program but we've had to work it throughout her whole program because she is in her early forties and you know, whole life is like you got to move, you got to exercise, you got to do this or you didn't do anything. And she, she's I'm so proud of the work, like how far she's come because she's she works a demanding job, she works at a daycare, she's with little people all day long. It's mentally demanding, yeah, and mental, like the mental exhaustion, and she's upgrading her schooling right now for her, um, young childhood development, and you know she's doing so many things. And then she's like but I didn't get 10,000 steps in today, my watch didn't. And I said, well, what did you get in today then? And she said, well, about 7,500. I said, so, set your watch to 7,000 steps and celebrate the fact that you got 7,000 steps instead of being like, well, I didn't hit 10,000. You hit 7,000 and you did a whole bunch of other things and now you're tired, your body's tired. You had a physically demanding day, a mentally demanding day, an emotionally demanding day, depending on where the kids are. They're little people. They have emotions and be okay with sitting down when you get home and taking 15 minutes and just breathing through your life, like, just pause, it's okay.

Speaker 2:

And we've been practicing the pause technique with her, where she doesn't make any decisions when she's, you know, talking to people about making plans or doing things.

Speaker 2:

And I said I said pause, tell them, I need to see what's going on in my life right now and I will get back to you and, you know, decide.

Speaker 2:

If it's 15 minutes an hour, you know they need a deadline, and if it's a no like if right away your body says no, it's a no, you don't have to say yes. And if those people get mad at you, then those people don't understand things and that's okay, like that's their issue to work through. And so she's been working on the pause method and it she said you know she's put a lot of boundaries down on doing things and like that she wants to do. And if you know, obviously there's times we need to step up and help other people and it's not really about us some days. There are days where you just have to be there for people, but people are always expecting everyone else to be there for them and they're not there for you. So when? When is that balance and where do you set the boundary? So it's been pretty amazing to watch that unfold with the pause and the exercise.

Speaker 1:

I love that. I love that. It's so funny that you say that, because today a really good friend of mine sent me this she's like you're not going to believe what I did today Cause she's like that, she's like a. Very I envy her ability to self motivate, but she doesn't have her own detriment.

Speaker 1:

Like she said for herself she finishes it, whether she has to drag herself through it most of the time. Right, and she's a big Peloton girl and she sent me this alert saying she broke her 251 day streak by taking a day off. And she took her smartwatch off and she's like I'm rearranging what I'm doing in my life Now. Mind you, she runs a rescue farm where she has goats, a horse, a pony. She's out there every day doing this. She's so active and I was just like keep it moving moment, because she's like I did, I'm finally like letting this shit go, because it's like a lot of us hold ourselves to unreasonable standards, like is it?

Speaker 1:

really helping us is it? Really what we need? Is it really health? Well, it's mostly exterior.

Speaker 2:

It's mostly exterior what we see on tv the commercials, the ads, the you know the people that have been doing stuff. You know like there are people that are wired and built for that kind of life and that's okay, but like not everybody is. It's unrealistic to think that you're gonna be that way and taking your job, you're exhausted.

Speaker 1:

If you're exhausted, are you healthy?

Speaker 2:

well, and that's the thing. There's so many people, I know, that the weight, their weight gain, is stress and the stress is exhaustion and the exhaustion is because they don't stop, they have to. Like my husband struggles so hard with that, like you know he's he's he's wired to be a provider and I love him to death for that. But it's like there's days I'm like like, what are you doing? We're doing nothing. We're going to lay in bed and drink lattes and watch TV. And somebody says like, but I gotta, I want to go do something. And I'm like, no, we're not doing stuff today. Yeah, like you know, and it's, I think, can't be bored, can't stop moving. Gotta, you know, if you're there, spare time, we got to fit something in there. And it's like fitting, we're fitting in TV and lattes, that's what we're fitting in today, like having have a nap, I don't care. Have a gummy, have an edible and go to sleep.

Speaker 1:

I love that. I love that Cause. I think this is what we need. We've been like perspective because I think this is what we need. We've been like force-fed this crazy hustle culture I like to call it so long, especially as women and as moms, trying to be perfect in all these ways and really all we've gained from it is like a really high inner critic and a lot of shame, which helps nobody like. Renee Brown tells us that shame is no good.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah Well you know, we have all the technology to make our lives easier and somehow it's become more complicated, it doesn't? It blows my mind, thinking back when my mom had me, she had to figure out how to hit the bank in bank hours, which were work hours. Everyone managed to get there to get their paycheck to the bank and do all their banking and pay all their bills. People can't even manage and they have everything at the touch of their fingers. Because they're adding more. Yeah, yeah. Why are we adding more? Because we have all of this easy technology. Stop adding more to your plate. I love that. I love adding it. I'm management.

Speaker 1:

Focus on what really matters, prioritize I that I love it. I'm management focus on what really matters, prioritize, I love that. So if people are hearing this and they're like, yes, yes, yes, yes, this is me Do you work with people virtually or just where you are?

Speaker 2:

I just I work a hundred percent online, so I have um, I do, I work through Google meets, but um, I yeah, I work online so I can help anybody pretty much anywhere, as long as our schedules work out, and I mostly work with women. But I, you know, men have troubles too, and if they this is something that speaks to the men I'm open to helping whoever needs what I offer, because I don't think there's much of it. I specifically struggle the skinny girl life. I, you know, know that life, but it doesn't matter your shape or size, it doesn't, it doesn't.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's about reforging that, that relationship with yourself. I love that. So if people want to work with you, how, how can they find you or where should? And also like can they find you or where should? And also like, if they're not ready yet, maybe like where can they start at home? So um.

Speaker 2:

I have a free gift that I have um on my website, um and we'll put this in the show notes.

Speaker 1:

It'll. There'll be a link in the show notes too, sorry, yes.

Speaker 2:

Um, so I have a three day trust your body guide and it's just like a a little, a little, a little taste. A few people are like, wow, this is a huge free gift. And I said, yeah, but it's not even the tip of the iceberg on what I get into work with Every day. There's a couple of questions about just kind of touching back in with yourself and it's a three-day thing and it's something really, if you really wanted to like get to it, you could recycle it and use it over and over and over, and it's just checking in with those questions, you know, and and doing it for a week. You know, like do that specific step for one week and start to get really good at noticing the little things. Um, so I have a free gift for that um that is downloadable and pdf. You can print it off or however you want to do it, little worksheets involved with the questions. Um, and then, yeah, on my website, um, I do free consults.

Speaker 1:

I have a 30 minute free consults what your website is, in case people just want to hear it. Yes, it's bb nutritionca.

Speaker 2:

Um, and what are bb like? Is it boy boy like balanced being, so bbnutritionca? And what are BB like? As in, boy boy Like balanced being, so BB nutrition? Yeah, balanced being nutrition, but BB, so it's not so many words. Yeah, perfect ca, and I have there's. You know my, I have a group program launching right away on can't remember the date, I think it's June 4. At 2pm Mountain Standard Time, I I have is the first class and so I have that launching right away. But I also do one-on-one work and I do have a free consult. So if anyone wants to just reach out and see, you know, connect and see what it's like to work together, um, I, I have that as well.

Speaker 1:

So Beautiful and I always ask everyone this question that comes on. So what's your like? Go-to self-care? Whenever things are like out of control, what do you do?

Speaker 2:

Uh, I was my last guest self-nurture, your self-nurture.

Speaker 1:

She wanted to be self-nurture.

Speaker 2:

Well, I recently found a local farm that does cream and stuff, so I don't buy it from the store because typically dairy bothers me. But I found this. I switched from oat milk over and I make my own lattes at home. My favorite is a lavender white chocolate mocha Um. My favorite is a lavender white chocolate mocha Um. And I really like to watch Netflix. Or you know, my husband and I are reality TV junkies either ghost adventures or true crime stuff, or or any chick flick like comedy type thing, um. Or when it's nice, we like to go camping, so that is, go out to the wilderness where there's no signal, no wi-fi, no cell service, and we have a little motor home that we we did last year. And we like to spend a lot of time out in the mountains because we're from the mountain province. So that's a couple of things that that I like to do um nurturing it.

Speaker 2:

It depends on the day. I think it just depends. Some days it's a hot bath and some days it's sitting out in the sunshine while my dog bakes her baked potato self Cause she's a pit bull and she loves the sun.

Speaker 1:

I love that. I love that you make yourself like a little fancy cocktail and like do a little like guilty pleasure too, though, because that is health too. You know what I mean. Like I do some healthy things, but also sometimes just like numbing and doing something a little sweet for yourself, you know, making yourself something fancy, showing yourself you're worth it, and unplugging, I think that's just like awesome. I love that, cause it's not what people would typically think of as self-nurturing, but it is a self-nurturing act, it's very specific to you and it's a beautiful example.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I just kind of I'm like what do I feel like doing? Part of my daily is self-care. It's part of my daily. So what am I going to do today? Am I going to go take my dog for a walk? Are we going to sit out in the sunshine and have a coffee? Are we going to have a bubble bath? Am I going to turn on an episode of a show that I like watching? It's it's just kind of like what am I going to do? But it's also learning how to not get wrapped up in just doing self-care, because there's, you know, things in life that we have to do, and it's easy to be like I don't want to, and it's some days we have to anyways, but we do need to make daily self-care a thing.

Speaker 1:

I, I love that balance. It's so important Right and right, perfect. You know that relationship with ourselves we have to nurture. So that's awesome. So is there anything you'd like to leave us with? It's been wonderful talking to you today. I've absolutely loved your insights. Sorry, my puppy is being annoying, but anything you'd like to leave us with today before we go?

Speaker 2:

I think, just starting like, just start to take a minute and just decide if it's something that's for you or if it's for somebody else. And if it's for somebody else, sit and consider if it's something that you feel in your heart you need to do, or if it's something that you, that you feel in your heart, you need to do, or if it's something you feel obligated, because if, if you're not taking care of yourself and and doing it for yourself, it's, it's it's damaging and it's it's we've just been taught our whole lives. You know, especially, I'm a mom and it's like your kids and your kids and your kids and it's like, okay, but what about me? At the end of the day, what happens when my, my kids are gone? My oldest is turning 21 next week. Like she's, she pays her own bills. Like we have a relationship, but I'm not her mom anymore. You know, like I'm, we're friends. Now we have a friendship. And who? Who am I now? You know so I, you can't, you can't keep pushing for everybody else, cause when all that disappears.

Speaker 1:

what do you have left? That's great advice, Absolutely great advice and I think a lot of women are probably in that place right now and having these similar thoughts, and so it's very powerful statement. Thank you so much, um. If you ever have anything new launching, look us up again. I'd love to have you back and talk with you yes, I would love to do this again.

Speaker 2:

It was a lot of fun, thank you yeah.

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