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Marta Kagan: Embracing Pleasure After 40
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Dive into a world of empowerment, sensuality, and body confidence as we chat with Marta Kagan, a transformative coach dedicated to helping women over 40 reconnect with their true selves. With her wealth of knowledge and experience, Marta reveals deep insights into overcoming societal norms that keep women from embracing their own pleasure and confidence. The episode emphasizes that aging should not signify a decline in vitality or sensuality—instead, it's a unique time to rediscover and reclaim personal joy.
We discuss the ways in which societal conditioning can instill feelings of shame surrounding pleasure and the importance of dismantling these beliefs. Marta shares powerful stories from women who have transformed their self-image and discovered a deeper sense of intimacy with their bodies. The magic of community plays a vital role in this journey, as Marta explains how the Sensual Sisterhood fosters support and connection among women navigating similar challenges.
Whether you're curious about finding your sensual power or seeking a community of empowered women, this episode offers valuable insights and actionable steps for every listener. Embrace the fact that pleasure is indeed your birthright, and join us as we celebrate the vibrant and beautiful journey of growth in our lives. Ready to take the plunge? Tune in, and together, let’s embark on the journey towards a more fulfilling and pleasurable life! Subscribe, review, and share your thoughts with us!
Marta Kagan is a Body Confidence & Sensuality Coach who helps women over 40 reconnect with their sensuality, confidence, and pleasure—because your body deserves love, not criticism. Through her signature Pleasure Playground, her FUCK YES group embodiment program, and products like The Ultimate Turn-On Toolkit, she guides women to shed shame, embrace desire, and reclaim their radiance. She also shares her wisdom (and plenty of spicy truth bombs) on her YouTube channel and The Pleasure Playground podcast. Known for her bold, no-BS approach and deep devotion to pleasure as a lifestyle, Marta is here to remind you that confidence isn’t about changing your body—it’s about loving the one you have.
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Hello and welcome to Empowered Ease. My guest today is Marta Kagan. She is a body confidence and sensuality coach working with women 50 and over to reconnect with their sensuality, confidence and pleasure. Welcome, marta.
Speaker 2:Thank you, sean, so good to be here.
Speaker 1:I'm so happy you're here with us. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm feeling in my body, in my pleasure and in gratitude to be here with you.
Speaker 1:Oh, all beautiful things. I love that so much. Okay, so I am going to have a million questions, I'm sure, but tell me just a little bit about what being a body confidence and sensuality coach is.
Speaker 2:It's really about helping women particularly. I'm working with women over 40 for the most part, but it's helping women feel sensual confidence, alive, right, radiant, um, helping them to love their bodies instead of criticize their bodies, which is what we are conditioned to do from a very, very early age. So, yeah, it's, it's taking your power back through your sensuality.
Speaker 1:Ultimately, I love that Beautiful. So um tell me a little bit how you got into this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I started coaching just life coaching, right. Generic life coaching, quote unquote um in 2001. So like when coaching was still brand new study with Thomas Jane Leonard, who was the father of coaching when he was still alive, and um, yeah, at the time I think I was always a seeker, you know, someone who was always interested in how the human mind works and how the human body works and how can we make ourselves better and how can we live life as fully as possible. Right, and that was in my twenties still, and so I did that for a while. And then I did a whole bunch of other things professionally in marketing, with working with tech startups and doing all this stuff that has nothing to do with being a body confidence and sensuality coach other than living in a human body and dealing with burnout and dealing with stress and dealing with all the pressures that you know all humans have to deal with but that are maybe a little bit unique to being in a female body.
Speaker 2:Um, and then, when I hit my forties, uh, unlike a lot of women, I didn't have the like midlife crisis panic. I thought 40 is going to be amazing, 40 is going to be my new 30, felt really good. And then, um, I'm making this a shorter story than it could actually be, but bear with me. I woke up one morning and felt like wait a second, is this it? Like, is this it, you know? Like now I'm just going to get older and become irrelevant and like I've missed. I've missed the window and now I should just go knit and become a grandmother, which is kind of what the message was, right, like that dulling down feeling that society tells you it's time to do yes, like I hit my expiration date right and yeah
Speaker 2:relevant, and that came a little bit late for me. I also, at the time, decided to stop drinking alcohol, to like hit the reset button in a big way in my life, um, and that led to me recognizing how detached I'd become from my own body, from my own sensuality. Had been married for a couple of decades At that point, I'd raised two kids. Um, I just kind of forgot about me, like the sensual, alive, radiant version of myself that, in her twenties, was like oh, we're going to live this amazing life, we're going to coach people, we're going to. You know, I had all these dreams. Yeah, it was in my forties, still selling that but feeling like I'm not living it you know Um.
Speaker 2:And so I started seeking again, and I actually stumbled on a book called pussy a reclamation. I just bought it, I haven't read it yet. And I actually stumbled on a book called Pussy a reclamation.
Speaker 1:I just bought it. I haven't read it yet, but I just bought that book.
Speaker 2:It is a must read, I give it to everyone, I recommend it to everyone. And that was like the beginning of the awakening of like, oh yeah, there's this part of me, this, you know where all of my life force, energy, lives, this part of my body that is literally birthed real humans. And yeah, you're a badass, yeah, and that kind of started my, my recognition of how essential pleasure is, how it's really the antidote to most of what modern life hands us, that sort of takes us out of aliveness, and and also recognizing how much we're taught to believe that pleasure is like frivolous, it's something you only get to have after you've suffered sufficiently.
Speaker 1:And that's very specific to females, I think, like in a lot of ways too. Yes, yeah, so that was the beginning of females.
Speaker 2:I think in a lot of ways too. Yes, yeah, so that was the beginning of me really looking for okay. So what does that mean? Great, like I'm buying into this and Mama Gina's telling me, like pussy is the path. So I basically doubled down on investing on myself, doing exactly what most women don't do, which is invest in themselves. Right, we're always investing in our children, our partners, our girlfriends, our sisters or whoever Whoever's in need around us that we love. Yeah, but I decided to make that investment in myself, in my pleasure, in basically fueling the next chapter of my life. That led to me ending my 24 year marriage. That led to me, you know, shifting my focus from mental and emotional fitness, which is kind of where I was focusing as a coach, to really bring bringing pleasure into it, to getting certified as a pleasure coach from Mama Gina School of Womenly Arts, and this the focus of the services that I provide and the change I want to make in the world.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, how beautiful. Okay, so, before we get into kind of the details of that, because I have many questions my first question is a personal one for me, because, as someone who's like stepping into an entrepreneur role, and stepping into that it's a process of letting yourself be seen in different ways and then addressing whatever comes up in that. If you're not an entrepreneur, that's what happens, but it's super hard. But being stepping up in this way, in this light, being like a pleasure coach, a sensuality coach, like I just tell me about what that process was like for you, because internally I'm like, fuck yeah, but I'm like, well, that would be so hard to go out there and like speak that. So tell me your tricks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you're so right, because society tells us as women that we shouldn't enjoy pleasure, that we should, you know like, we should be good girls, right, and we should be virgins until we're married or whatever, depending on kind of what your religious and social upbringing, cultural upbringing, is. But the core message to all women, I think, regardless of culture, is you shouldn't be the center of attention, you shouldn't play big, you should be humble and small, you shouldn't like sex, you shouldn't talk about sex, you shouldn't, you know, be sexy except in very specific situations where it's okay. So, yeah, there are a ton of messages and for me personally I struggled with, like, how to introduce that shift. Is my focus right, going from mental and emotional fitness which is free of shame? There's no shame associated with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's the word I think I'm looking for. There's shame when you bring this up. Yeah, shame's the hardest, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's been a process. It's been a process of feeling into that of walking my talk. Feeling into that of walking my talk, feeling like feeling the shame that society has given me and releasing it because it's not mine Right.
Speaker 2:None of us was born ashamed of our bodies, of our body parts, of how they look, of how we touch them or don't touch them. Like that is all learned. So it's sort of an unlearning and a remembering the core truth that you know once upon a time, sensuality and sexuality was seen as a divine gift, like a gift from the gods. It is a beautiful, sacred thing and over millennia we have corrupted that in many ways, for many reasons, which maybe is beyond the scope of this podcast.
Speaker 1:You can talk about the patriarchy if you want. I love it. Oh, we're gonna.
Speaker 2:Rarely do I have a conversation that doesn't touch on that. Me too. Yeah, it's, the struggle is real and it's it's become more comfortable the longer I've been talking about it and putting myself out there. And this is probably the biggest pro tip I'll give you is surround yourself with as many women as you can who are also in this work, in this space, talking this talk, who use the word pussy liberally and aren't all ashamed about it, who will express their sensuality in ways that you know are real and true and genuine. When you start to spend time around that kind of sisterhood, it becomes, you know, we normalize. We normalize what should be normal anyway.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I love that you've said that this comes up every single one of the episodes I've had so far. I think I've recorded like eight of them now. But women healing community it's so important. We need a community around us of like-minded people who hold us up. It's how I get through every day and I love that you said that, because it literally comes up every episode, no matter who I'm talking to. It's so powerful to surround yourself by with women who believe in you, who get what you're working on and who are encouraging you to step into that discomfort I love that so much who are encouraging you to step into that discomfort, I love that so much, and the only reason why we don't do that already and automatically is patriarchy.
Speaker 2:Should we come back to it, right, patriarchy. Looked at, you know, the feminine as weak, as subservient, as not as important, and looked at how we gathered. Naturally, women used to gather all the time in community, right, like that's what we did, we gathered in circles, and then they burned us for it. So the the you know part of the patriarchy that has separated us and created that sister wound where we look at other women as the competition right for the male partner competition for this thing or that thing is is why we're not doing that.
Speaker 2:but it is so natural, actually, and and so essential and so beautiful and powerful and beneficial and healing and all the all the things.
Speaker 1:Yes, our culture really reinforces which is so sad because I feel, I believe it's the root of a lot of women's struggles is that our value is in what we provide to others, which is beautiful that we are a lot of us are caregivers and provide to others, but that is not our value. Agreed, it's beautiful, it's very powerful, but that's not our purpose here and I think our culture tricks us into thinking that's our purpose. Sometimes it can be confusing. So what is? I want to know, what is the some of the number one complaints that when women come to you, that they're that they're worried about or struggling with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, for the most part, it's the universal loss of feeling sensual at all, and that happens over time. It happens between, like, the demands of life, whether you're a mother or not, taking care of others children, parents, spouses, co-workers, whoever it comes through the conditioning, right Patriarchal conditioning, which is you should be a good girl and she keep your legs crossed, you should dress a certain way, only say certain things, and you know so. It's a combination of all these factors that just keep us more and more and more and more disconnected from how we really feel, from our true emotions, right. That tell you that you're too emotional. You should keep it, keep it together, right? You shouldn't feel the way that you feel for it.
Speaker 2:No one wants to talk about periods or the fact that women are actually on a monthly cycle. Hello, like for decades. This is what happens, and somehow we're supposed to just pretend that's not happening. It's really just a rejection of the feminine altogether. And the number one complaint is I feel numb, I feel disconnected, I don't remember what it's like to be sensual, I hate my body, I don't like this thing, I don't like that thing. So it's a lot of internalized patriarchy, a lot of internalized misogyny um attack ourselves.
Speaker 1:Oh, I get it. I feel some of that sometimes, so I love that you said that and gave that a voice. I get it. I feel some of that sometimes, so I love that you said that and gave that a voice. So, when you're working with women, what kind of? What kind of? So? I got on your website. I saw you have a lot of services, but what is the foundation of those services when you start working with women to reclaim this power?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so there's a. There's a couple of paths. So of course there's the one-on-one coaching path where we're really working together for three, six, 12 months on reclaiming your power, your sensuality. There's a lot that goes into that. The more common path is people will come in through the central sisterhood, which is a free community that I've started on school. It's got about 250 ish members there now and uh, inside their school.
Speaker 1:By the way, school's awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, community, right, that's a big piece of it. There's community, so there's it's a group of over 250 women over 40 who are specific there to reclaim their sensuality, their confidence, to feel more pleasure in life. So there you'll find um different tools and practices and rituals that you can practice on your own. We also have live sessions where we're teaching or coaching, you know in the moment, but it starts with a couple things Unlearning some of the limiting beliefs and some of the patriarchal conditioning that we've already touched on, and a lot more because we're just scratching the surface. Learning how to access pleasure in your body, like it's very practical and um really requires you to do the thing. It's not a mental, this is not a discussion, it's not an exercise. It's like I want you to feel your feelings and I'm going to show you, and I want you to feel your body and I'm to show you how, like the crux of it.
Speaker 1:I love that. That's what. So I coach women through burnout and for I would say, maybe half the women that feeling their body, that connection is completely lost and for some of them, like half of them, we start there where they're just like. Learning to like sit and take up space is difficult, so I can't imagine addressing some of these more deeper, like what we consider shameful things and how empowering that must be when you finally claim it yeah and the what.
Speaker 2:What's interesting about it is, you know, unlike therapy like if you, if you, worked with a therapist on shame or guilt or sensuality, I think there's a lot of shadow work and a lot of, yeah, getting into like trauma and wounding that created, right, the shame in the first place, whereas pleasure coaching really comes at it from.
Speaker 2:I just need your body to feel pleasure. I just need to. My job is to help you find within yourself those access points that let you remember what your body knows how to do, independent of what happens up here, because this is what we spend most of our lives, up here, right in our heads, thinking and analyzing and telling stories about things. And I'm trying to actually make that stop and for you to tune into what's happening in this meat suit and specifically through pleasure, because you're going to lean into that versus like a lot of things that make you draw away. So it happens really naturally with just a little bit of, you know, coaching to get you there and the transformation is so instance, because that that sensual, that sexual energy that lives in your body is unbelievably powerful, Like it literally creates life. So of course it can change your mood, of course it can reset your mindset. Of course it can make you feel powerful again really quickly.
Speaker 1:That's beautiful. I love that. So I'm hearing there's a lot of physical practice to this. I love that, awesome. So are there any common myths about this that you end up dispelling with women, or anything misconceptions that women come to you with that you're commonly so many.
Speaker 2:Starting with number one is probably that there's something wrong with you, there's something that needs to be fixed Like that's the first one I try to undo or unprogram because it's so, it's so ingrained.
Speaker 2:Again, it starts so early, right, like you need to fix this about your body, you'll be better when. No, that's the first one. And then there's a lot of shame, as we've already touched on, because, again, the culture says you can only dress a certain way, you can't behave, you can't say certain things. You know, there's so many rules that have been constructed around what's okay for a woman. Some of those away. And the beautiful thing, jen, is that when you're doing this in sisterhood, one-on-one also has power. But when you're there with a group of women who are feeling the same things and struggling with the same things and watching each other and celebrating each other as they come alive, like, literally, that's what's happening. Oh, it's like angels singing. It's really, really, really potent and powerful and the changes happen so fast.
Speaker 1:Oh, that sounds amazing. So why women over 40?
Speaker 2:Because I'm 53. That just feels like relevant to what I'm going through and where I have the most lived experience right now. The truth is, these things are valuable and apply to women of all ages, and my hope is that over time, um, my universe will include women and girls, for that matter, right Of all ages but for now, that's just kind of where I'm starting, cause that's that's where I'm at, that's where I was at recently and that's where I'm still at.
Speaker 1:So I hear you. I hear you. I think there's something powerful about this age, though. It's like the age where we shift from, like, trying to prove who we are, to valuing our piece a little more, and there's just so much power as women settle into that that I feel like these are the women who might be wanted a little more than maybe. That's not true, because these younger generations are doing a lot more than I expected, but totally and the circumstances change, you know, in this chapter of life.
Speaker 2:You know my kids are grown now so they're out of the house, so I'm not dealing with like parenting daily. You know the the changes that come with perimenopause and menopause introduce a new set of challenges and also a new set of freedoms right, there's nothing about birth control.
Speaker 2:There's less concern about like when can we have sex, because the kids are around or there's some need, right? So like everything starts to shift and at the same time, society is telling us you're no longer relevant, you can no longer produce new humans, so we don't really care about you anymore. We're going to sell you anti-aging things and things that will make us money that you know, that continue to feed this idea that there's something wrong with you that needs to be fixed, that you've expired. But the truth is this is when we get our superpowers because we're liberated from some of those things, because we give fewer fucks, because we have fewer people to take care of, potentially because our we're not necessarily cycling the same way every month and quite as as I hesitate to use the word triggered, but has activated by hormonal fluctuations. So so, yeah, I think your point is spot on that this is a special time in a woman's life.
Speaker 2:And we're only one of three species where females actually live beyond their reproductive years right. There's like there's a purpose, we serve a purpose and we're just starting to figure that out, and I want to empower more women to jump on in, you know.
Speaker 1:I love, love, love that you know that too, cause that's one of my favorite things because it's they're all species with, like, overdeveloped frontal lobes, so it's all the connection species. So it's so beautiful. So it's so beautiful and it has a lot of value. We have evolved that we put women offline and they have so much value that we have kept them around for longer after they're offline, creating babies. That's so beautiful, so powerful. So, um, when women come to you, is there any initial fears that you're you have that you face a lot with women that they need to overcome to be able to step into this, because I just see a lot of I don't know I'm I'm making it up in my head maybe, but I'm envisioning a lot of hold up in some of these ladies no, you're right.
Speaker 2:I mean, it runs the gamut, right, there's. There's women who have grown up in, um, you have a religious or family background that was very conservative and makes you know, even like the word pussy will never come out of their mouth, like, yeah, there's a lot of discomfort and there's a lot of getting comfortable with. They may not have even ever looked at that part of their body, for example. Right, right, so we're really starting in new territory. And then there's women who you know, have had varying degrees of liberation around their sensuality, but we, myself included we still live in a patriarchal world culture. There's no way around it.
Speaker 2:So y'all have that internalized. You know, conditioning no matter what. So it really runs the gamut. But what I think is amazing is how quickly we can, like, fall into the knowing that this is normal, that this is true, that this is sacred, that this is beautiful and powerful and that, you know, there's there's all of the shame and guilt and taboo associated with it is a construct that was put on it, that it's not real. So, like that falls away pretty quickly in these containers.
Speaker 1:So if women at home are listening to you and like, yes, I need this, where would you suggest that they start, or how would you get started, or how would you?
Speaker 2:get started. I would invite them to come join the central sisterhood, which is the free community, where you can sort of get a taste of some pleasure tools and practices, where you can start to feel the sisterhood support of the community right? People sharing what their experiences are, sharing what problems they're having and looking for solutions, or sharing pleasure rituals, things like that. And then once they get their toes wet and they're having and looking for solutions, or sharing pleasure rituals, things like that. And then once they get their toes wet and they're like, okay, I want more, I really want to work on this, then you can become a member of the pleasure playground, which is the paid community. I kind of think of it as like the pleasure gym, so much more fun than a gym, and that's where we get into some of the more hands-on practices. Pun intended, oh, I love that, yeah, beautiful, okay.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to have to cut this part out because I just had a brain fart. Sorry, I love when. When that happens. I want to get more into your story here a little bit. I'm trying to think how to um, how to really get into it.
Speaker 2:um, there's so much here to say yeah, and my story is like I'm such a mutt you know what I mean Like I've, I've been all over the road in my journey and the only thing that's really stayed consistent is a desire to be true to myself, a desire to keep, you know, improving in some way, learning something, growing, evolving, um, so I don't know, I, I it's funny because I struggle sometimes with keeping my story concise because, like which chapter are we talking about?
Speaker 1:right, I know, lifetime is so long right.
Speaker 2:There was the like starting my career and and defying expectations chapter. There was the what the fuck is Media? Chapter, which is like a whole different version.
Speaker 1:Right, oh, my God, I know I'm in that chapter, Like, do I really need to learn this? I guess I do. Okay, let's talk about the women that you're helping, then. What are some of the transformations you see and some of the powerful things you see these women embodying or embracing, or the changes, your shifts you're seeing in these women that you're working with? I think the most like.
Speaker 2:The most beautiful potent change is women going from not feeling comfortable looking at themselves in the mirror, what they see or you know, kind of like even in their body language, you see this like discomfort to seeing a woman who can look at herself in the mirror with soft, loving eyes, who can trust her own intuition again, her own instincts, like listen to her body instead of the stories that have been implanted, really, by other people in her head. Right, the voices that are critical that are actually they sound like your voice. Right, the voices that are critical that are actually they sound like your voice, but they're not. You know, they're like mom, society, this guy, that guy. So just seeing them like literally like blossom, like a flower. Right, just like open up from being like tight and tense and closed off and stressed.
Speaker 1:And settling into themselves a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it's so much a shift in not like what did you achieve, or what goals, or like what happened on the outside. It's so much of an internal shift where you go from struggling and tolerating to enjoying and receiving right, which is actually like the more natural state for females to be in receptive mode instead of like constantly caregiving, which is what we've become conditioned to do forever. But on a practical level, I've seen things like women who you know were in. I have a client, for example, mindy, who was in a job for, I want to say, five or six years, really was underpaid, underappreciated, was an incredible performer, but she just didn't have the belief in herself to even ask for what she was worth, right. So so so we're, we're playing with pleasure and sensuality and it's showing up in how she is in her professional life. She's able to actually go in and ask for the raise and ask and get it because of how she's going for it Right.
Speaker 1:That was going to be my next question. What are some of the unexpected benefits of this that you have seen? But that's a perfect one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've seen women who wanted to, you know, pursue a dream, start a business, write a book, like start something that they felt like an imposter. They felt nervous about showing up and taking up space and just seeing that shift where they go from like it's this crazy dream that I'll do someday, but probably never to. It's happening now. They're living the dream. Now they're bragging about you know how things actually worked out and we're all celebrating it for them. I've seen a lot of relationships that you know we're already dead but nobody was willing to call it like end and new beautiful things come out of that. Yeah, like even you know women who were kind of resigned to just going to be a grandma now I'm just going to do this thing to like now she's taking a pole dancing class and she's traveling Right and she's like forget the like, dress for your age, she's dressing for herself.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I know. Do you remember there was just like an age where women would like it was like normal? You cut your hair off and you go get the rollers and you just like resigned to be an old and they were not that old when they started doing that.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, like, do you remember the golden girls? Yes, like they were in their fifties. Those were in their fifties. Like what? No, that's not old.
Speaker 1:What was going on? Oh, that's so crazy. I love that so much. Okay, so where can we look for you? What kind of things are you up to these days that we, where women, can find you and get involved with you? If this is something they're like, I need this in my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, I'm. I'm all over the place. I'm on Instagram at be marvelous. I'm pretty outspoken there. I'm on YouTube and the best place to come play with me is inside the central sisterhood, which is on school. I know you're going to put links in the show notes. That's really where all the magic is happening these days. So yeah, oh, there's my website. Be marvelouscom, but you know it's a good website.
Speaker 1:There's lots of options on there. I was on there. It's beautiful, Thanks. So I ask everybody this but what is your essential? Go to like self-care when things get rough and you're overwhelmed. What do you do for yourself? Go to like self-care when things get rough and you're overwhelmed.
Speaker 2:What do you do for yourself? I put on a sensual song and I get in front of a mirror and I strip for myself. Ooh I love that it's dancing, but it's bringing sensuality into it and it's for me, for my own aliveness, for my own pleasure, for my own like making love to the mirror. That's it, that's my favorite way.
Speaker 1:I love it, how powerful, beautiful it is. Well, is there anything else you want to leave us with today, marta?
Speaker 2:That pleasure is your birthright. It's not something you have to earn that you are worthy of receiving so much pleasure that you have permission to access it, even when the world feels like it's burning, because it's actually the fuel that allows you to deal with whether the world is burning or not, with you know whether the world is burning or not. So, yeah, pleasure is your birthright. You have permission to experience that. All the things that make you feel ashamed and small and like limited, those are constructs, those are not actually your truth, and if you come play with me inside the central sisterhood, you're going to start to reclaim that and see that in the women around you, everything will shift.
Speaker 1:Beautiful, beautiful. Well, thank you so much for coming and inspiring women today. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure.
